We're going to the bottom of the ocean and to outer space for this near-future literary escapade about when the world is no longer habitable. Deb Olin Unferth joined me from Austin, Texas, to talk about her latest novel, Earth 7. Deb's novel is inventive in its world-building, taking us into the cosmos, its exploration of human and non-human relationships, and capacity for both fear and wonder for what the future might hold for humans.  Deb has quite the. C.V. She’s the author of seven books, including novels Barn 8 and Vacation, and the memoir, Revolution, which was a finalist for the National Book Critics’ Circle Award. She’s published graphic novels, story collections, and her writing has also appeared in Harper’s, the New York Times, Paris Review, Granta, and McSweeney’s. She’s also received Guggenheim Fellowships and Pushcart Prizes. So a good episode if you're wanting to see a writer pushing their boundaries and modes and picking up awards and fellowships along the way   If you fancy getting more from the Rippling Pages, including an exclusive Patreon only podcast on what makes the openings of books so good, why not consider suscribing here! https://patreon.com/RipplingPagesPod?utm_medi   And buy all the books mentioned on the show. Buying from this link supports indie bookshops and the Rippling Pages as I get a very small commission from every book sold through this link. https://uk.bookshop.org/shop/ripplingpagespod Chapters 0.17 – Introduction to Deb's work. 2.40 – the capacity of Deb's novel 3.30 – Why Deb went to space. 7.20 – the fate of humans 12.20 – the mother daughter relationship 19.20 – How would Deb's dad respond to this book 20.45 – the idea of hope 26.15 – the rippling pages patreon 27:45 – where are the other earths 34.15 – The importance of Deb's research. 39.00 – How does love fit into the novel.  42.00 – cynicism and feeling hopeful.  Books and Writers Samantha Harvey – Orbital Barn 8 – Deb Olin Unferth Pascal Clancy Martin